Art and design continued to be separate disciplines and discourses, and maybe even more so after these attempts. I will instead take another stance, within a more emotional framing on the conflict, in terms of humiliation and revenge, with which I believe it can be shown that the difference stems from a meta­physics of history, resulting in different con­cep­tions of remembered name vs trademark, of origin versus periphery, necessity versus contingency, and of the concepts to create (creare ex nihilo) versus to forge (facere de materia).